– You can change your story, you can change your
narrative whenever you want. You can be a victor. You can have victory
over your circumstances, and you don’t have to be a
product of your family of origin or whatever cards were dealt to you. You can create whatever
type of life you want, and it can be amazing. (upbeat music) – All right, welcome back everyone to The School of Greatness podcast. We have the inspirational
and iconic JoJo in the house. – Thank you.
– So glad you’re here. – I’m so happy to be here. – We’re been connected on Instagram for about a year or two at least, and Billie Jean connected us– – [JoJo] One of my besties in the world. – One of your besties, a guy that I’ve been getting close with over the last three years, good guy. And we’re finally here. So I’m super excited. – I’m so excited, because
I’ve been subscribed to this podcast for a long time, and I just love all the little jewels of inspiration and wisdom that I get from not only you but the guests you have on, and it’s just, it’s so delicious to me, it’s soul food. – It’s soul food, that’s what it’s about. I’m so excited. Do you
listen to a lot of podcasts? – I do, I love podcasts, whether I’m working out
of I’m getting ready or I’m driving, and I love sharing them
with my friends and family. It’s awesome. – Now, you have an amazing story. And you remind me a
little bit of Leann Rimes. – Okay.
– When I had Leann on, she talked about how when she was a teenager, she became so world
famous pre-social media. And this kinda happened to you, as well. You were a young teen that was a superstar before social media. If there was social media then, where do you think your life would be if it was like not all over the press but then all over everyone’s
social media channels? – Well, when I came out, Myspace is really where we launched. – That’s true. God, Myspace.
– My music, so Myspace was like a huge deal.
– Huge. – For me and connecting with my fans. But I mean, I think now, if
you’re just first coming out, you have to really take advantage of all the different platforms, and it’s not that you have to, it’s fun. But you just kinda have
to be more spread out, where I didn’t really have to do that as much.
– You had one platform there. – Yeah.
– You just had Myspace. Pre-Facebook, pre all that stuff. – Yeah, people were on Facebook
but it was college kids, and I wasn’t a college kid. – [Lewis] You couldn’t even get on there. – Couldn’t even get on there. I mean, I was 12 when I recorded my album, 13 when it came out, and when my life changed. So I dig social media right now, and I’m actually quite glad that it wasn’t such a big part of my early teenage years, because it must be so hard being a younger person.
– So hard. – And feeling that that
is what validates you. And being in the music
industry is weird enough. – It’s already weird enough, but so many kids or teens
are getting their self-worth from likes and engagement,
everything like that. Do you feel like your life
would have been more screwed up, (JoJo laughs)
not that it was screwed up, but do you feel like it would
have been much more harder to be a celebrity, famous, on
tour, all this stuff happening as a teenager, and– – I think so actually.
– Why didn’t people like this? Or I need to be more sexual or whatever it is?
– I think so. I think that if I was, ’cause it’s really hard to not, I mean, to resist the temptation
of reading all the comments and seeing what the feedback is. So I think that if I was a young teen like I was when I came out, and I had that, it would very much shape how I felt about myself and influence who I became. – How do you feel about yourself now? – [JoJo] I dig myself. – Have you always digged yourself? – No, there were times
I did not dig myself. It’s such a journey. I think because I had
such incredible success at a young age, that gave me a sense of self that was related to a number one and related to adulation and acclaim and applause and attention–
– Awards. – Yeah, all of that. And I needed to define myself outside of that when I was like tied up in a legal situation with my former label to where I couldn’t release music, and I wasn’t shutting down malls anymore. And I wasn’t the most
famous person wherever I go. People had surpassed me that used to open for me. – How does that feel? – It felt embarrassing. – [Lewis] Really? – I mean, there are other words too, but that’s like the first
one that comes to mind if I’m just being honest. – When you’re the main attraction, when you’re the lead, and then
other people are just excited to be there and open for you,
and then now they’re the lead and you’re opening or
you’re not even there. – It made me feel awkward, embarrassed, because I felt like my
career at that point was out of my control. I hated that feeling. So it made me just kind of wanna retreat, because of all those things. – ‘Cause this is still a time when independent artists
weren’t putting out music on their own. This was like pre-Macklemore, pre all these individuals
who were having control of their music, right? This pre-Spotify. So you had to really rely on
the record label, I’m assuming. – Well, it was unfortunate, because I wished that I could
be independent at that time. You know, contracts are legally binding, so I did not own my voice. I could not make decisions on what to do with my recorded voice.
– That’s crazy. – So I could tour. So I stayed afloat doing that. I connected with my fans, and it kept me feeling energized, because otherwise I just felt so isolated, not being able to release new music. – So you kept singing the same songs– – [JoJo] Singing the same songs. – To the same audience
sizes or smaller, intimate? – It kept getting more intimate. It kept getting more intimate,
and I needed to find how, really what I realized is
that I have some ride or dies. – Fans.
– Yes, some ride or die fans. – Super die hard?
– Yeah. But like you mentioned,
independent artists weren’t as poppin’ as they are right now, but I was able to do something that I took a page out of what I saw people in hip-hop doing a lot more, and I put out mix tapes for free. And I just put them
directly on the internet, whether it was SoundCloud or whatever. – Was it Napster back then? – Not Napster, I’m not that old. But it was definitely–
– SoundCloud. – SoundCloud. So I had a few mix tapes, and
I was able to speak directly to my fans that way. – For free?
– For free. The first one being called
“Can’t Take That Away From Me,” which was a statement of just like, “Okay, label or powers that be, “you can’t take away this relationship “that I’ve built with my fans, “and music and my love for it.” And then “Agape,” which
means unconditional love, and then a LoveJo series of just like a few songs here and there. – Wow, have you been to Agape? – I haven’t.
– The church? – [JoJo] Have you? – I’ve been there once. Michael Beckwith, who’s the–
– I love Michael Beckwith. – He’s amazing. He came on the show earlier this year, and I went and watched it, and it was– – Oh, I have to hear that, I can’t believe I haven’t heard that.
– Oh, it’s mind-blowing. – I have a lot of respect
for what they do over there. – [Lewis] You should go sing over there. – Oh, do they have?
– Oh yeah, they have a whole choir and different performers come and sing. It’d be amazing for you. – [JoJo] Oh, that’s right up my alley. – On a Sunday, it’s like all soul food. – [JoJo] That’s right up my alley. – Just do some jazz or
do one of your songs, whatever you wanna do. You
can just be creative there. – That’s cool.
– I’ll make an intro if you want, let me know.
– Please do. – That’s cool you have
a song called “Agape.” – I have an album called,
a project called “Agape,” ’cause my dog’s name is Agape.
– Oh my gosh. – Because I just love that word. – It’s a great word.
– Means unconditional love, and that’s what I feel for music. I really don’t care for the industry. It’s mad yucky, but I love music so much.
– But you love music. When you were pre-twelve, did you have this dream
that this was the life that would unfold for you, like you were gonna be this superstar, your songs were gonna be
out there in the world, and then there would be
this control over you? – [JoJo] No, didn’t envision that part. That wasn’t part of my vision. – But you dreamed of like,
“I’m putting my music “out in the world, my creativity.” – I saw it so clear in my mind. I knew from a young age. I feel so lucky, ’cause
some people don’t know what they’re passionate about. I never had to really
think about it that much. I had other interests. I liked dinosaurs, and I liked cats and stuff. But no, music was just always– – Like when did you have that vision? – [JoJo] Oh, as long as I can remember. – Like four or five years old? – [JoJo] Exactly, yeah. – You were like, “I’m gonna
get my songs on stages. “I’m gonna be on the radio.”
– I saw Mariah Carey performing and just being so glamorous and exceptionally talented, and I was just like, “I wanna be a diva.” I wanted that. I loved entertaining family,
friends who would come over and anybody who would listen. If my aunt would go the nail salon, I would ask the ladies what
their favorite songs were, and I just always wanted to perform. – Would you perform at the salons? – Yeah.
– Really. – I mean, we would go into, I’m from south of Boston. So I would ask my mom from the age of like seven, if we could go into the city, ’cause I saw people putting out hats. – Busting.
– And I would put out hats and sing on the street. I swear to God, my parents
were not stage parents. I was a weird precocious little kid. – You would go by yourself?
– No, no. My mom would go with me.
– Would she film ever? – [JoJo] No, we didn’t. – That would be amazing
if you had some footage. – I know, I was such a
fearless little girl. – Wow.
– Because I think that’s what takes to especially have such
an early entrance into it. You just need to just love it. – Did you ever feel like you were afraid after you became this?
– Yes. – When did that happen? – Yeah, fear came into my life I think probably when I was
making my second album, because I’d had so much
success with the first one. And it was just the
difference of a few years. 12 recording the first one, and then 14, 15 recording the second one. But I was like, it’s that sophomore thing of how can I, I don’t
think I wanted to top it, but I wanted to have another hit. – Match it.
– And thankfully, I did. We had a huge song with “Too Little Too Late.” – That was massive.
– And that took me around the world once again. And that was dope. But fear really crept in after I turned 18, and I’m like, “Wow, look at the clock ticking.” I feel like I lost time.
– At 18? – Yeah, because I think I had seen so much from a young age that as I
started to not be the youngest in the room anymore, it just started to freak me out. And I needed to, it took me years to change my perspective on that and to not compare my journey to others. – Isn’t that interesting? I remember in high school, I was always on varsity sports teams as a freshman, sophomore. I was the young one, and I would always start, and I was always the youngest starter. So all the juniors and seniors would play, and then the young one, and I was one of the better athletes. I was always kind of an all-star
on the team at a young age. And I remember becoming a senior and having more fear, because I didn’t have, I
don’t know what it was, it was like a cushion or something where I had to be the one that had to perform all the time and had to deliver every time, and there was a lot more pressure on me. – ‘Cause now you were a young OG. – And I always felt like the youngest, but now I wasn’t the youngest. – Right, so now it’s also
not as glittery and exciting, because there was all this shine on you for being the youngest, and now it’s like, “I just
need to be excellent now.” – I gotta be better and better. I gotta reach this
potential from a young age. – [JoJo] Yeah. – So how long did this fear
stay with you after 18? How many years were? – A good 10 years, I’m
just shaking it now. – Really? Did it get worse?
– Yeah. – Every year? – I can’t say it was every year, but there was so many ups and downs, because I developed what I would call a situational depression that I’ve kind of ridden the wave of. When I filed my lawsuit for the first time against my record label, so I could get the rights to my voice back and be able to continue on with my career, since they weren’t a
functioning label any more. – So give people context if
they don’t know what happened. How old were you? – I was 18 when I sued
them for the first time, because they were in breach of contract. I had delivered several versions
of a third album to them, and there was just no– – They didn’t want it or
didn’t wanna put it out? – They didn’t have the
means to put it out. They didn’t have distribution anymore, and it was just a whole
bummer of a situation. I really thought that
we would just ride off into the sunset together. ‘Cause these were my father figures. They were my uncles.
– Yourmentors. – They were my mentors. So I never wanted to like, who wants to be in a lawsuit? – It sucks.
– Horrible. – We tried to work it out for awhile, but I was tied up in a
legal battle with them for about five years. So at 23–
– That’s traumatic. – I think is when I took a lot on. I was like, “What could
I have done differently?” But it really did, I don’t
wanna be overdramatic about it, but it was a bit traumatic for me. – It’s very traumatic. – ‘Cause I felt so out of control, and nothing’s really in our control, but I was just so disappointed and so hurt that we couldn’t make things work and do all these great things together. Because all I’ve wanted to
do since I was a little kid is work and perform and
connect with people. And I felt like that
was taken away from me. So I was very upset. – ‘Cause you couldn’t
release your art to the world because of the contract. – Right, right. And it wasn’t just about creative control, ’cause I wasn’t putting
a hard line in the sand and being like, “No, I wanna make a–” – A jazz record. – I wanna do some left stuff. It wasn’t that. I was like, I was really down to try at least from my perspective. So anyway, thankfully that is not going on anymore. But it created a lot of
agitation within me and upset. And again, like I mentioned, seeing people that had told me that I was the reason
why they started singing and that they grew up learning how to sing through listening to my songs and stuff and then seeing them reach
the heights of their career while I’m, I felt like this caged bird. – So you saw young
superstars become megastars and say to you, “You’re
the reason I started this.” – Yeah, and that’s obviously such an amazing thing to hear. – It’s inspiring, but you
also wanna see yourself– – Correct.
– Up at the top too. – Yeah, yeah, I was like,
“I really don’t like “being this kid that can’t play “in this playground that I love.” Yeah, yeah, and I was
just not comfortable being a afterthought. – Gosh, I feel like Olympic gymnasts, I feel like have some
of the hardest lives, who are Olympic gold medalists when they’re 15, 16, very
similar to your situation. When you’re on this global
stage as a teenager, and you reach the top– – It’s like, where do you go? – Where do you go–
– I know. – For the next 80 years
of your life or whatever? I think that’s one of the
hardest things to overcome. I’m not saying it’s poor
them for having a gold medal, but it’s a different type of
adversity you have to face. – Right, right, and it’s not a– – It’s a first world problem–
– Exactly. – But the inner battles
that you face are extreme when you reach those levels. – But I think that the
payoff that can come if you are able to change your perspective
and have a new idea of what success is or just keeping your blinders on and saying, “Okay, so that’s amazing. “I’ve accomplished that, “but what’s next?” – Not focusing on the past so much. – Yeah, it sucks.
– Yeah, it does suck. What was the biggest lesson for you from I guess 12 to 18 when it was this explosion of attention and acknowledgement and
hits and opportunities? What was the lesson for
you during that time, and then what was the
lesson from 18 to now? – Hmm. – Like as you’re rising to the top, and you’re transitioning from
figuring out this lawsuit to reinventing yourself
to identity to everything. – The biggest lesson in my
teenage years I guess was, I would say, you can’t
take things personally. I think I learned that pretty young, that everybody’s gonna
do what’s best for them, and things are gonna
make sense in their mind. No one’s a villain in their own mind. People are doing what seems
like the right thing to them, in my opinion, and you just can’t take
things too personally. I think I did learn that. I also learned that–
– Did you take a lot of things personally? – Yeah, yeah, ’cause
everything was about me. I mean, I felt like I was the
center of my universe, I was. I was not only this young girl, but I was a product and I was a brand– – A business and yeah.
– Yeah. So it was just interesting
to think about all that, but I also learned that
people will say they love you, and you need to be able
to use your discernment to realize when that’s true and when it’s not. I mean, I don’t know if it’s
as much in your industry, but you live out here in L.A., and people just love to throw that around, and that can be a painful thing, especially when you
come from a broken home and you want love. You want family. – And you feel it as true.
When they say I love you, you’re like, “Okay, this means something.” – Yeah.
– Deeper than just, I love you friend, friendly thing. – Or I love you if this continues to be
lucrative for me or whatever. So I guess that plays into what I said about not taking things personally, but discernment, developing discernment, I think from a young age. – I feel like you just have
to go through heartache to experience and learn discernment. It’s hard to be discerning without going through the
challenges, I feel like. – I agree.
– Without people hurting you or disappointing you or
expectations not being met. – I agree.
– You gotta go through it. Unfortunately, you had to go
through it at an extreme level of probably betrayal and
backstabbing and who knows what. – And then to answer your question, I think the lesson that I’ve learned from 18 to now in the last 10 years is nobody is, you have to save yourself. You can change your story, you can change your
narrative whenever you want. You can be a victor. You can have victory
over your circumstances, and you don’t have to be a
product of your family of origin or whatever cards were dealt to you. You can create whatever
type of life you want, and it can be amazing. – Do you feel like no one was
there to save you, you mean? Or no one was there who
really had your back or was gonna help you,
you had to help yourself? – I do feel like I needed to help myself. I think that maybe there was a lack of, I didn’t feel supported in my situation. – By who? By friends, family, industry people? – By more industry people. I think they just felt
like it was this thing that I was never gonna get out of. So they just were like,
“She’s a smart girl, “maybe she’ll go off to college.” – She had a nice run, and we’re onto the next. – Onto the next, yeah.
– Onto the next young product. – Exactly. – Wow.
– Yeah. – That probably makes
you feel a little used. – I guess so. Yeah, just made me feel, what is my worth if I’m not that. – So how did you learn to
create your own self-worth when people in the industry didn’t think you were as valuable for a period of time? – I had to, so much trial and error and introspection and seeking God in different ways, and I think focusing my energy in different places, whether it was like learning
how to be in a relationship or exploring different interests of mine. Or working on myself,
becoming a student again of voice, studying how to sing properly for the first time, because things had come naturally to me. I needed to be proud of
myself in different areas. I needed to have little
things that I could be like, “Okay, I’m making progress in this area.” Or even like, I was asthmatic as a kid, and over the past few years, I’ve gotten really into
fitness and wellness, and now I can, this is a thing for me. Now I can run a mile and that’s good. I eventually wanna do a 5K and maybe one day do a marathon.
– All right, wow! – I have to just have
these incremental goals that make me feel like I’m capable and really whatever I put
my mind to, I can see. – For young girls, teenagers or preteens in the social media world that
deal with a lot of comparison that deal with a lot of,
they’re not sexy enough or good enough or talented enough, what advice would you have for them to develop self-worth throughout their teens and 20s? – Comparison is the thief of joy. – Einstein’s, right? Didn’t he say that I think? – I think so, I love Einstein. – [Lewis] It robs you. – It robs you of joy.
– So much. – We get to make a choice
about how we see things, and I think social media
can be really detrimental, especially to an impressionable mind. And I’m not above that. I still have the capacity
to be hurt by things and have impressions laid on me. But particularly for younger girls, I would say, turn off the comments maybe. You can not have your self-worth attached to the number of likes you get or to what boys respond to or what girls respond to. You have to find a way to
feel good about yourself. – How can they do that?
– [JoJo] I know, I know. – If you could go back to 14, 15, 16 JoJo, what would you say to her
about developing self-worth that wasn’t attached to accomplishments, likes, boys flirting with
you, all those things? Is it mastering of a
new skill like you said? Is finding a goal and seeing yourself overcome
something challenging? – It’s like when you make
a commitment to yourself about something, it’s seeing that through, honoring that. Being a good person I think
is the most rewarding feeling. Being a good friend, knowing
that you are somebody who people can rely on and lean on and making yourself proud though. I don’t think that girls are really feeling proud of sexualization of them. I don’t think that makes them, that’s not gonna bolster your self-worth. So whatever that might be, work on things outside of the exterior, whether it’s you finding
a hobby that you love or reading or religion, spirituality, whatever. Try to just really cultivate
all the parts of you that make you unique, because it’s so much doper to be yourself. That radiates in such a wonderful way. When you get to know yourself and you spend time in solitude, and as a teenager you probably
don’t wanna spend time in solitude, you wanna
be social and stuff. You gotta like who you are. And again, I guess I don’t
really have the best advice as to how to do that, but
journaling is a great idea, a great stream of consciousness. See what’s in your mind, and it’s okay if some
insecure thoughts come in, but you can take responsibility for that second thought
and say, “That’s not true.” But comparison is the thief of joy. I still do it sometimes, but I really check myself now. I pay attention to what
thoughts are coming into my head and I try to replace them with something else.
– Really? Did you always do that?
– No. – Did you just allow negative thoughts to kinda run your mind for awhile? – Yes, and I’ve been on this journey of trying to just consume inspiring stuff, like your podcast, and I love “Oprah’s
SuperSoul Conversations.” – She’s great. – I love reading Wayne Dyer.
– He’s amazing. – I love Tony Robbins. I mean, all this stuff
are really great tools, and I don’t know that I would
have utilized it as much as a teenager. I think that just with time, I was just like, “I really want
to take more responsibility “for my projection of how I see myself “and what I want for
myself in the future.” So these are just tools
that I’ve tried to adopt through listening to people who I respect who’ve done great things, and I guess modeling what
they’re talking about. – What is the challenge you face with being in an intimate relationship as someone with fame and
touring and opportunities? How do you navigate that
being in relationships? – I can be a really great girlfriend, and I can also be very selfish. – You have to be if you
wanna achieve something at this level, right? – I think so.
– You have to be selfish to put time and energy
into mastering your craft, touring, all the things you gotta do. – Yeah, so that–
– So there are periods of time where you’ve gotta be really selfish. – And that can be a challenge when you’re trying to
cultivate something meaningful. – [Lewis] So how do you do it? – I have made so many
mistakes along the way, and I think I’m just learning how to be in a relationship with myself. I think, what’s Emma, I forget her last name, but she plays Hermione, and she said that she’s self-partnered. – Emma Roberts, no, Stone? – Emma–
– What’s her name? From “Harry Potter.”
– Watson. – Watson.
– Watson, there we go. – Emma Watson, yeah. She’s amazing. – I love what she said
about being self-partnered. – [Lewis] She said she’s in
a self relationship, right? – She’s self-partnered.
– That’s amazing. – Because I didn’t trust
myself in relationships. So I’m single right now. I’m self-partnered, but I didn’t trust myself, because I knew that I was, because of the insecurities
that I mentioned a little bit, that I developed an
anxiety about not being as desirable in the
marketplace or whatever, I knew that I had the potential to seek validation through
the attention of other men. And I actually–
– ‘Cause it feels good. – ‘Cause it feels good. It made me feel high. And it’s not that I would, even if this was what I did, this just wasn’t what I did, but if I was sleeping
with a bunch of people, which wasn’t the case, it was just like I would
allow myself to entertain, when it wasn’t appropriate. And I learned that that’s really not cool. It’s not cool. It’s not something I can
look at myself in the mirror and feel good about. So how do I balance? I think, I’m sorry, FaceTime is game-changer, as I’m sure you know
being in a long-distance? – I was in a long-distance relationship for like 10 months, and she just moved in like a week ago. – Woo! – Yeah, Christmas day actually. – Merry Christmas. – And FaceTime was a game-changer. It was like every day, a few times a day, I would check in for 10,
20 minutes or whatever, and I don’t think we’d be together without FaceTime.
– Exactly. Yo, thank God for FaceTime. – Game-changer.
– I love to tour. I love being on the road, and it was really nice to when
I was in my last relationship be able to like take him
with me when he couldn’t be there all the time.
– Hey, I’m onstage. – Here’s my sound guy. Irv says what’s up. He was able to develop relationships with my crew even when he wasn’t there. And that’s so meaningful to me, because I love to integrate my worlds, my friends and family and my boo and all of that.
– That’s great. – So FaceTime is a game-changer. – Do you feel like in the future, I don’t know, you’ve
probably seen relationships with musicians, most of them not work and some of them maybe they do work, do you have to almost tour with people for periods of time in
order to make it work, or does that make it worse? – Oh you mean, if you’re dating a person and you guys are on a tour together? – Do you need to be like, if
you’re on tour for a year, and you only see them
two months or something, is that gonna work? Or does a person need
to go on tour with you for periods of time if you’re gonna make this work? What have you seen with
other people in the industry? ‘Cause it seems like most
musicians don’t work out in relationships.
– It’s really tough. – [Lewis] Are there any? I mean, I don’t even know. Jay-Z maybe and Beyonce. – Right, and they
co-headline tours together. It’s so ill, the fact that they’re able to bring their family
with them and the kids. I mean, that’s ultimate goals. – But who else is married after 10 years? – I mean, Faith Hill and Tim
McGraw is really really cool. – But they probably
travel a little bit too, don’t they or no? – I don’t know, I don’t know
what their touring life is, but I think that anything you really wanna dedicate yourself to, if you’re really committed to it– – You’ll figure it out.
– You’ll figure it out. But I don’t wanna go, I personally
don’t wanna go six weeks without seeing my person. – I can’t go more than two and a half. That’s about the limit for me. Two weeks, that’s what I did. Every two weeks we would visit. I would visit Mexico City a lot. And I was there 15 times this last year. – Wow, see, y’all made it work. – And she was able to come out
towards the end of her job. She had some time off. So she came to visit me more. But it’s rough. After three weeks, it’s kinda like. Out of sight, it gets like. – It can get really prickly. – And I don’t like being on the phone. I’m like such a holder.
– I don’t like being on the phone either.
– I don’t wanna be on long. – I don’t like being on the phone, but I need to feel connected, and I need that skin to skin contact too. I need to be able to hold your hand. – Hug you.
– Are you a real person? So I think that when I
think about my future, my ideal situation, I would love for them to be able come out a few times, but also he needs to have his own, total own thing in life.
– Life, because if he’s just touring with you and just there–
– I don’t respect that. – It’s not sexy.
– It’s not sexy. – You want him to have his own thing. – Yes, yes. – [Lewis] Respect is one
of the most powerful things in a relationship. Once you lose respect,
it’s over, I feel like. – It’s true. – And you respect someone based on how their following
their career or their dreams or how they’re taking care of themself, not because they need you. – Exactly, even if they
establish boundaries and they’re like, “I won’t
be able to come see you, “because I’m finishing this project, “or I have to be over here or whatever,” as annoying as it is, that’s hot. I like that.
– Sexy, right? – Yeah.
– You’re like, “Dang, “go do your thing.”
– And it’s inspiring. Go do your thing.
– That’s cool. – So it’s, but until
then, until that moment, self-partnership is something
I’m really working on, because I just wanna
feel totally comfortable within this skin and date myself. I take myself to go hear
live music or to the opera. I’m Honoring what feels good. – That’s amazing.
– And that feels nice. – I remember in my 20s, I was afraid to be alone for along time. – I feel ya, I’ve been
a serial monogamist. – I needed to be in a relationship or with someone constantly. And then there was a period of time where I just said, “This is crippling me. “It’s crippling me, the
insecurity of being alone.” So for a couple of years, I said, “I’m gonna be
alone for everything. “I’m gonna go to the movies alone, “dinner alone, lunch alone.” – You took it to the extreme. – I do everything
everything to the extreme. It’s like I’m going to this Wim Hof thing. And it was the best time. The first few months
was the most miserable, but then after six months, a year, I just wanted to be alone all the time. I fell in love with my thoughts with just connecting with people out, but not needing a partner. – I think I know exactly what you mean. – [Lewis] It’s an amazing feeling. – A few years ago I started
taking these solo retreats, kinda self-guided. And the first time I did it, I just went to the beach right here, rented an Airbnb and
was silent for the week. – Wow, no phone? – No phone, I was just journaling, reading and listening to music. I got all my groceries
and just ate everything in and just was in nature, and it was a gift to myself. And then I started doing
that at least once a year. So I went to Sedona. That’s my favorite place to go do that. – [Lewis] It’s amazing. – And Joshua Tree. I love these places that
feel real energetic, but while I was making this album that’s coming out this year, I was actually committed
to not dating anyone and being abstinent and I was like– – For how long? – [Lewis] For like 10 months. – Wow. – Because I wanted to prove to
myself that it was all good. It was cool to do. And I also think that
maybe more so as woman or as me, I just didn’t
wanna share any power with anybody else. I wanted all my creativity
and all my sensuality and all that passion to
be channeled into music. I didn’t want it to be split up at all. – [Lewis] How do you think it worked out? – I think it’s great. I love this music, and I think it was, it made me feel even
more feminine actually to not be with anybody. I just loved saying yes to dates but
saying no to anything else. – So you’d go have fun and hang out And experience life.
– Yeah I could be friends and stuff, but I just really wanted to keep that to myself for awhile, and I think it helped the music actually. – I have friends who
have gone years or months without sex, right?
– God bless them. – And they always seem to
create the most beautiful works of art in that time of
channeling their energy towards that thing and not spreading it around in other ways, whether it be sex or drugs or alcohol, like everything, right. I think it’s really powerful when people can do that, because you can create some great stuff. I’m curious, when was the moment or moments that were the most
powerful for you on stage? Do you remember like, I
don’t know, New York City or Sydney or wherever, you were just like, “Wow!” It was electric. You came off the stage. You thought you had your
best vocal performance, your best emotional performance. Are there any of those that you have? – Yeah, there’s a couple
that I wanna highlight. When I was a teenager I was in Brazil. It was my first time playing a stadium. It was a festival, my first festival. – Like 100,000 people, 50,000 people? – Yeah, like a soccer stadium, so however many that is.
– Crazy, oh my gosh. – And what was so moving for me was just the power of music and how, ’cause it wasn’t like Rio. It wasn’t one of the major cities. It was a smaller, it was a big city but it was a smaller city where
not everybody spoke English and just to hear the
audience singing the words of my songs back to me.
– Really? They didn’t speak English probably. – Yeah, I mean, I certainly
don’t speak Portuguese. I was just so moved that even like the deeper cuts from my albums, they were singing. I was just like, “Wow,
music is so powerful “bringing people together “from all around the world, “and it just feels good.” You don’t even know what
it means necessarily. There’s this artist Rosalia, and she sings in, pretty
sure she sings in Spanish, and I don’t know what she’s saying, but it’s just so good.
– Beautiful. – It’s so moving. And then a very special moment I had a couple tours ago, my father had just passed, and I was just starting a tour. And I was just so devastated. I wasn’t sure how I was gonna
put on any type of good show at all, ’cause I was so fragile. I just wanted to cry constantly. But and I had this song
that’s about my dad that I was performing in my set, and when I did break
down for the first time– – On stage?
– On stage. – [Lewis] How did you even sing it? – I didn’t sound good. I sounded like a turkey dying. And so I just took a moment, and the audience sang it for me to me.
– Oh, they did not. Shut up.
– It was just like out of a movie. I just saw “Judy,” the
movie about Judy Garland, and I think she got choked up on stage, and the audience, and someone was saying,
“That seems so unrealistic.” I’m like, “It’s not,
it’s not unrealistic.” – Oh my gosh, it happened.
– It happened. And it’s happened a few times. If I’ve lost my voice. If I’ve overdone it or
something with the schedule, and that’s just–
– They’ll sing it for you. – My fans are off the chain. They are so amazing. So I’ll never forget that, because they kept me
going during that time. And I was able to finish the tour, because during the meet and greets, they would come up to me and share their stories. The connection, just the humanness, I just love being, I love this human experience. It’s so wild.
– Isn’t humanity amazing? – [JoJo] Yeah, people
are really beautiful. – Beautiful people. I’m curious, so this was
what 15, 16 in Brazil? – [JoJo] Yeah, 16, 17, I’d say. – So about 26 with your dad?
– Yeah, 25. – So a 10 year gap essentially. One is at the height of your career, one is at a low moment
in your personal life. What was the routine like on both of those days, if you remember? Two hours before or the morning of to have this massive experience in Brazil and also this emotional experience? – So that was my first time to the country of Brazil, and I’m trying to think of the routine. It felt very standard. You’d go in for sound check. Your musicians are doing their thing, and meet and greet.
– Before, right? – Yep, meet and greet before. Doing your radio obligations and stuff. I was much less, I took my vocal health a lot
less seriously as a teenager, ’cause it just came to me. – You’re just like, “I
can just sing whatever. “10 minutes to warm up.” – I didn’t work out. It was nothing like that. – Eat whatever, dairy. – Exactly, I was just
doing whatever I wanted. So my preparation now before shows looks a lot different. I really like to hike myself up. I like to work out when I’m on the road. I like to find a local coffee shop. These are just things that
ground me and make me feel happy. And I do warmups before
and then I warm down after, and that’s just something that, ’cause routine is important. – It’s huge. – And because I didn’t
have a normal childhood, I didn’t really have routine. So I’ve learned about routines actually through watching other people, watching people on YouTube. What’s your healthy nighttime routine, because I’m still looking at my phone? I just had to develop these things. – What’s a non-negotiable for you on a day of a performance? – A non-negotiable is
getting my heart rate up. – [Lewis] Like a workout or?
– A workout is ideal, but even if I can’t get a full workout in, I will watch something on YouTube and follow that. And even if it’s just
some pushups and sit ups, I have to feel strong. I have to feel physically capable. I have to stretch.
– Physically strong. – Yeah, I think feeling physically strong, because as a singer it’s
a muscular thing as well. And I just feel more powerful when I feel strong and agile and flexible. – I’ll tell you what, there’s something about singing that when you, I started
taking vocal lessons last year. – Who are you training
with, someone out here? – Yeah, gosh, why am
I forgetting her name, Valerie Morehouse. Is it Morehouse? – Valerie.
– Is it Val? – Hold on, I think I’ve seen her. – Yeah, she works with Sia. – Does she do vocal manipulation? Maybe it’s someone else. – Oh my gosh.
– But good for you. Are you trying to get into voiceover, or are you singing? – No I just wanted to challenge myself. ‘Cause I’m afraid to sing in public, and I never do it. – Ooh, I can’t wait
till you face this fear. – So I was like, “Okay, I wanna overcome,” ’cause I think that building self-worth is when we challenge
ourselves on our fears. So every year I try to do something new that I’m afraid of or
just not fully comfortable or confident with. And singing has always been something where I can play campfire songs, on the guitar a little bit, not that good, but I just never felt like I had control over my voice, and the more
I use in on the podcast, I start to lose it after a couple hours. Two or three interviews in a row, I feel like a scratchy. So I was like, “Let me
just go do some lessons “and see what I can learn.” And I need to get back there. – Strengthen those muscles around. – So I need to go back and start doing it. I probably did it for three months, and it was powerful, because I recorded every
session I have on my phone. The first few, I’m like dripping sweat, so nervous, singing to this teacher. And then by month three, I just
have so much more confidence and poise and grace and control. – Good for you for
subjecting yourself to that when it’s not like you
had something coming up where you’re like, “I
need to prepare for this.” That’s cool. – [Lewis] I just wanted
to challenge myself. – I love the idea of facing fears too, because then it’s just the way, if you do this in one area, you can do it in any area. My friend asked me if I
wanted to go skydiving. And like, “No, no I don’t, but I should.” – Did you do it?
– No, we were gonna go. He’s super sick right now, but we’re gonna go. I’m gonna do it.
– You are? – I’m terrified, but I wanna do it, because I just wanna take that leap. – That’s scary. My girlfriend wants to do it so bad. – Are you gonna do it?
– I’m like, “I don’t wanna do it.” – Why? But you wanna go climb
the Alps with Iceman? You’re crazy.
– It’s just a much more, I think it’s just a bigger risk of a fear. I feel like–
– Skydiving? – There’s more of a risk. And what if it doesn’t open up? I also get really nauseous
with roller coasters. I get really dizzy. Seasick. – You don’t wanna throw up
all over yourself in the sky. – Here’s the thing. I faced a big fear two years ago. I went on a Blue Angels Navy jet, which is like this, we went like 6G. They’re going upside down. It’s like a crazy jet. And no space bubble with
a pilot in front of me like from “Top Gun,” like a jet like that. So I went in one of those. And it was the most miserable, I did it because it was a fear of mine. And it was the most miserable– – You regretted it? – For three days afterwards, my equilibrium was off. I was just laying in the fetal position, because it took so much energy out of me. The dizziness, I threw
up twice in the plane. It was just like, “Get me out.” And so, I just don’t wanna put myself through something like that.
– I don’t blame you. You know yourself. You know it’s not gonna be–
– It’s like, I’ve tried it, but I think one day I’m gonna
have to jump out of a plane. I just don’t wanna die not trying it. But I just don’t know if it’s this year. – You also don’t wanna die trying it. – I don’t wanna die trying it. I wanna do some more
stuff in my life first. So we’ll see. She really wants to do it, but maybe when you do it, I’ll be inspired by watching your video. – I’m definitely hoping that there’s a Go Pro strapped to me, and when I pass out it’ll be chronicled. By yeah, I just wanna face those fears and push through, because I really believe
in pushing through. – What is the goal for your new decade? You’re about to hit 30 in a year, and it’s a new decade. It’s a new decade in the world, but it’s almost a new decade for you. – Yeah, this is the last year of my 20s. So I’ve gotta make it count. – What’s the vision moving forward? You’ve had so much in your teens and 20s, ups and downs. – The vision moving forward is to put out the best music of my career and to touch as many people as possible through my music. And then find a way to, to make things a little bit less about me in other areas of my life. I really wanna get involved in volunteering and with charity and I wanna do it in a meaningful way other than just singing at an event or lending money. I need to get clear on what that is. And for me it’s about making myself proud like I mentioned. – What would it take for you
to make yourself more proud? – Well, preparedness is a big thing, and I love to prepare. I love to feel good about that. But I wanna be impressed
with my performances. I wanna be impressed with my voice, and I wanna do everything
I can to set myself up to be happy with it. Because I am so hard on myself. – You have one of the
best voices in the world. How are you not impressed?
– Thank you for saying that. I’m not. – You’re not unpressed with your voice? – Most times I’m not. I mean, I will walk off stage and be like, “God, why do I suck so much?” Yeah, yeah, because I
just don’t think about, because I’m able to
celebrate the greatness of other people. I’m like, “Oh my gosh,
the voice on this woman, “and her stage presence
and blah, blah, blah.” – Who’s got the best voices out right now? – Best voices.
– That you admire. – I mean, all around, Beyonce
is the strongest entertainer and singer that’s alive. I just think she’s so incredible. There are a lot of great voices right now. I think Ariana Grande
has an amazing voice. – She’s amazing. – I think, my girl Tori Kelly. – [Lewis] Tori is unreal. – Demi Lovato, Jessie J. There are some great, great voices. – Jessie J, yeah, Sia. – Yeah, Sia. So many. So I can just, when people are like, “Oh, it’s not a good time for music,” or “people are singing.” I’m like, “Are you listening? “‘Cause there’s some dope stuff going on.” So anyway, I want to be proud of what I’m putting out, I want the music to reach as many people as possible. So I wanna tour more internationally. I wanna tour more here and continue to, continue to make myself proud. – I’m gonna throw something at you and see if you’re into it. Would you be open to sharing from your teens, your 20s
and now into the next decade, three different lyrics that
define those decades for you? – Ooh, wow. – So from your teen decade, what’s a sentence or a
line from one of your songs or a song that you like in the world that defines that decade? Then another song, line
or chorus or whatever for 20s, and then your vision for what you wanna create, whether this is a song that you have or Beyonce song or whatever. That’s the next decade for you. And would you be open to singing them?
– Singing them. – It doesn’t have to be the whole song, but just like a line or like a chorus. – I would think that my teenage years were like, I mean this song, it’s always gonna be with me, but it would probably be ♪ Get out right now ♪ because I had to, I feel like that chapter was defined by that song and “Too Little Too Late” as well, but trying to move away from it and also having to
actually have that lawsuit and get things out of the way. And then for this current
decade that I’m in. – The 20s.
– 20s. – What is the?
– What has that been? That has been like maybe a Joni Mitchell lyrics – Oh man, “Case of You” is my
favorite Joni Mitchell song. ♪ I drink a case of you ♪ – I got him to sing. ♪ Still be on my feet ♪ ♪ I will still be on my feet ♪ – What a song.
– Love Joni. – Her song “River” too. – Oh, I would.
– You know the lyric? Oh my gosh. ♪ Wish I had a river ♪ – [Lewis] Oh my gosh! ♪ I could skate away on ♪ ♪ I made my baby ♪ – She’s so good.
– Wow. Maybe, okay, I think I’ve just come to terms with I love this lyric
from “Free Man in Paris,” which is like ♪ The way I see it, he said ♪ ♪ You just can’t win it ♪ ♪ Everybody’s in it for their own gain ♪ ♪ You can’t please ’em all ♪ ♪ There’s always somebody
calling you down ♪ ♪ I do my best ♪ ♪ And I do good business ♪ ♪ There’s a lot of people
asking for my time ♪ ♪ Trying to get ahead ♪ ♪ Trying to be a good friend of mine ♪ ♪ But I was a free man in Paris ♪ ♪ I felt unfettered and alive ♪ Anyway, it’s about finding freedom, finding your personal freedom, your personal sanctuary. For her that’s Paris. For me that’s Sedona or that’s driving to the beach. Just kind of realizing that people are gonna do
what they’re gonna do, but you can put yourself in a bubble and find freedom, even if you feel like a caged bird. And my vision for the future would be– – “We Will Rock You.” (laughs) – I don’t know but the first
thing that comes to mind and this is probably silly, but is like Beyonce. ♪ I’m feelin’ myself ♪ ♪ I’m feelin’ myself ♪ ♪ I’m feelin’ my, I’m feelin’ myself ♪ You know, I just wanna continue to sink into who I am, and I hear that the 30s are even better. As I’m approaching the end of my 20s, I’m getting more comfortable, and I’m giving less Fs, and I just wanna, I want that confidence, I
wanna keep riding that wave. – I love those. Those are good. I love those.
– Thanks. – Imagine this is your
last day on this planet, and you’re 100 and something years old and your voice is even better. – Oh man. – It gets better every year. And stronger and more feminine
and powerful, everything. And the entire world puts on headphones, and they get to listen
to you for 30 seconds. And you have to sing something that would a reflection
of your entire life or something that you would
want the world to listen to you for the last time. What would be something
that you would sing that if everyone put the headphones on and they got to listen
to you for 30 seconds in one moment of time, and it’s your last day, what would you want the world to hear? – That is a really hard question. I wanna have, I wanna say the right thing and really consider this. Hmm. ♪ Hmm, what would it be ♪ Maybe, I would want people to
feel the love that I have for other people and for music. And the first thing that
comes to mind is the song I have from my album “Mad
Love,” which is called “Music.” And the chorus is, it’s like ♪ Tell me who ♪ ♪ Who would I be without you ♪ ♪ No matter how much we lose ♪ ♪ Every night I bet my life on you ♪ ♪ Tell me who ♪ ♪ Who would I be without you ♪ ♪ Who would I be without you ♪ ♪ No matter how much we lose ♪ ♪ Every night I bet my life on you ♪ ♪ Who would I be without you ♪ I can’t disconnect my life from music and from how it saved me so many times that I would wanna share with people the gift that music can be and just remind them that
it’s always there for them, even when you feel like
you’re completely alone or misunderstood, there is someone who has had the same
feeling that you’ve had. And that’s one of the most
powerful things about music. – That’s powerful. What’s your biggest fear
going into the next decade? – Not realizing my potential. I think that’s my biggest fear. – What is your potential? – Endless, I know that whatever
I really focus my energy on I can see to fruition. And it’s just about
getting really intentional and writing things down
and following through. So I guess it would be
being too scattered around to where I don’t really check all the boxes and cross all the Ts and dot all the Is and stuff. – That’s like the creative artist way. – Yeah, ’cause you get
to excited about things. – [Lewis] So hard. – So I just want to see
things through to the end. I wanna finish. – What would help you get
to tat next level for you in the next decade? Is it the right team? Is it a skill you take on for yourself? Is it, what is that thing, do you think that’s
gonna really set you up for the potential you wanna reach? – I think I’m on the right path. I think I’m equipping, I have a great team around me, wonderful positive people who we all encourage
and inspire one another, and we’re all great in our own respects. But I’m thinking about
my managers and my agents and those who work with us and stuff. But I think that just strengthening my
mind-body connection, getting deeper into my
connection with God, spirituality, I think that that will help bring more clarity, because sometimes I can get
just excited about ideas but not know exactly how to execute it. So continuing to ask for help knowing that I have so much more to learn in other things. I’d like to be more of a businesswoman than I have been. I have a joint venture right now, a partnership with Warner. My label is called Clover, and I wanna be instrumental in
other young artists’ careers. I want to maybe help them
avoid some of the challenges that I’ve gone through. And so I wanna really walk the walk and just be more about it, I guess. – Gonna be more about it. Feeling yourself, I like that. This question’s called the three truths. So again, imagine it’s
your last day again. You sang your song, but now you get to leave
behind three lessons that you wanna share with the world, three things that they would
have to remember you by, if they had no access to your music or content you put out there anymore, but you can share three things that would be your truth for the world, what would you say are yours? – Everybody has their own unique gift, and it’s one of our responsibilities in this life to find out what that is and cultivate it and to be
as true to it as possible. So I would say that, that everybody has something
very special and unique. If you’re here, there’s
a reason why you’re here. So never question that. Just keep seeking if you don’t know and just follow what
you’re passionate about, maybe you’ll find it in that. Secondly, it’s not the end of the world until it’s the end of the world. You could always dust
yourself off and try again. You can always keep going. If you think there’s a period, turn it into a comma. It doesn’t need to be the end. And surround yourself with people who light you up. We can’t accomplish, we can accomplish a lot on our own, but it’s so much more wonderful to have people who you’re
strengthening each other. And if you’re lucky enough
to have even just one person who you can be honest with and who will hold you accountable, I think that you have something that’s really valuable, something very priceless. Don’t compromise just to
have a friend in your life if they’re not giving you that, if they’re not building
you up and believing in you and helping you be your best self. – Those are great. I love those. Simple but practical. I love it. – I like practical stuff.
– I love that. How can we support you moving forward? How can we connect with you? The album’s coming out. – Yes, so I actually just did something kind of weird last year. I rerecorded my first two albums, because they weren’t
available on streaming. – [Lewis] That’s crazy. – So go check those out in the meantime. I made them as close to the
original versions as possible, and I just did it out of necessity, because they weren’t there. So the producers and writers
weren’t getting compensated. Nobody was making money
from what wasn’t there. – So you weren’t making any money from any of those songs? – They weren’t available
for streaming or download. – What about for like TV or film or commercials?
– No. – Nothing, so you couldn’t
make money off of your IP? – Exactly.
– That’s crazy. – So now I own that IP. – The new version.
– Yes, I own the masters. So you will be supporting
me directly by listening. And I mean, I love social media. I love connecting with people. Instagram’s probably
where I’m most active. So follow me, it’s iamjojo, and it’s the same on Twitter, iamjojo. And come see me on tour. That is where I feel–
– I wanna watch you live. – So electrified. – I can’t wait for you to come. We will take care of you.
– Bring my girlfriend. – You’ll have so much fun.
– You gonna do it in L.A.? – Yeah, do I everywhere. L.A, San Diego, San Francisco, we’re routing tours right now. So 2020, I just can’t wait
to get back out on the road. – What, is that the summer coming up, or when is that? – Probably be spring,
summer that I’ll start really getting out there.
– Okay, so in a few months. Where can they go to get tickets or learn about that? – Honestly, just follow
me on social media. It’s all there. I think it’s much, I think
that’s the easiest way to do it. I mean, like websites, that’s cool, but like–
– Who does, yeah, yeah. I wanna acknowledge
you for a moment, JoJo, because you’ve been through
so much, emotionally. I just think it’s really hard for a teenager to get that much fame and get that much success and attention, and to
figure out who you are in the process is very, very challenging. I feel like I’m 36,
I’m still going through figuring out who I am.
– Me too. – But to do it as a
teenager’s really challenging. And for you to come out more graceful, loving, kind, and human and
not a negative, bitter person speaks volumes of you and your character. So I wanna acknowledge you
for everything you’ve done, overcome, the adversity, the challenges, the lawsuit, the betrayal. Because I know how that feels, and it’s really dark inside sometimes, especially on a platform of your size. So I acknowledge you for–
– Thank you so much, Lewis. – Gracefully moving through it and coming out on the other side in a beautiful way. – Thank you. That made me feel so warm inside. I received that. – Yeah, of course. Is there any questions you have before we do the last question? – Any questions I have?
– Or anything you wanna share before
we do the last question? – Well as we’re having this conversation, I don’t know when this will come out, but did you make nay resolutions? What are you resolving to do? – You know, I feel like
resolutions are very challenging, because I try to make a
resolution in a moment throughout the year, any time throughout the year when I feel like something’s stuck or off. – Yeah, you can do that any time. – Then I recommit to a new vision. So I don’t like to wait
till the end of the year and just be like, “I’m gonna
be sloppy for six months, “and now I’ll start.” So I think I started making
resolutions before New Year’s, a couple months ago.
– Yeah, me too. – But for me, I’m in a relationship with someone who’s Mexican. She speaks Spanish. She’s pretty fluent in English, but I’ve always wanted to learn Spanish, since I was in–
– And now you have every incentive to do that.
– Since I was a teenager, I was studying it for many years, and I never picked it up, and I started salsa dancing hardcore 15 years ago. And I’ve toured all around the world to the best salsa clubs–
– Oh wow! – And trained with the best people for street salsa, salsa club style, not ballroom style salsa,
which is very different. – [JoJo] That sounds fun. – Very fun, and like you said, music has been a huge
influence on my life. My brother is the number one
jazz violinist in the world. So I’ve watched him growing
up playing jazz violin with Les Paul in New York City and the best around the world.
– Oh my goodness! – And my sister would sing
Joni Mitchell on the guitar when I was growing up. My parents were opera
majors at Ohio State. – Oh my God, I didn’t realize how musical your background is. – I learned guitar at 18, ’cause I felt so ignorant
to be the only member of my family not talented. – ‘Cause it’s a language. You wanted to speak the language. – [Lewis] I wanted to be able
to have some basic knowledge. – I respect that, that’s cool. – ‘Cause I appreciate it
and I listen to it a lot. So I have a basic knowledge, but I couldn’t play anything. I took a week of piano, and I was like, “I wanna go play sports.” It was just not my thing. So I taught myself guitar when I was 18. I started doing vocal lessons
last year just for myself, and this year it’s all about Spanish. So I’ve been actively looking, and I know what I need. I need someone to come
to me a few days a week and teach me. I’ve tried aps. I’ve tried going to places. I need someone to come
to me for my schedule. So I’m looking for someone who can come and teach me that I can
hire three days a week and get going. So that’s one thing that I’m committed to. That’s the main thing. That’s the main thing. Health is always a top priority, but it’s just reevaluating constantly, “What do I need?” But it’s always fitness and mindset. And then this podcast
is so transformational for so many people in the world. We get emails all the time about when someone listens, someone’s gonna listen to your story, and they’re gonna email me in six months and say, “You have no idea
how that supported my life.” And they’re gonna come
back to me in six months and say, “This one thing that JoJo said, “I started taking action on, “and six months later
here I am, thank you.” – That’s what I get from your podcast. I was telling you that I listened to your interview with Sara Blakely, that’s her last name?
– Yes. – So many great tidbits.
– She’s amazing. So the goal is to double the show size by the end of this year.
– Woo! – That’s the resolution. It’ll be seven years coming
up at the end of this month that we started this. We’ve reached 150 million downloads total on the audio platform, more on video, but the goal is how do we
double the audience size by the end of this year? So that’s a mission for the business is figuring out whatever it takes to be a maniac on a mission for that. So that’s the resolution.
– How exciting. 2020 vision.
– 2020, going all in. And being in a new relationship, living with someone is learning that. So just trying to, I think patience for me is like the big thing this year. – [JoJo] Big one for me too. – ‘Cause I want it to happen faster. Probably for you too. You’re like, “I wanna be back on top.” – Yeah, I wanna be back on top or wanna make this relationship work or whatever it is. But it’s just trusting that
you’re doing all you can. If you’re impeccable with your intention and your word and all that, we can only control what we can control. So one day at a time, I really try to live by that. I grew up being very close to AA, being very close to people who were working the steps actively. So I feel like that’s
a religion in itself. – It is.
– The 12 Step program. So I think that, I mean, this
is one of my favorite tattoos, “God grant me the serenity “to accept the things I cannot change, “courage to change the things I can, “and wisdom to know the difference.” And patience and one day
at a time is so essential for how we just continue.
– Focusing on now. – Yeah.
– That’s a resolution too. Every day, just being
grateful for every day. So that’s what I’m working on. Okay, I got one question left for you, it’s what’s your definition of greatness? – My definition of greatness is, is falling down and never staying down, is resilience, is just an unshakeable spirit of seeking and learning, staying open. I think growth is greatness, and yeah, just keeping at it. – JoJo, appreciate you girl.
– Thank you. – Thank you, you’re the best. – Thank you so much.
– Powerful. (soft music)